Incitement
Incitement
Murder is wrong in London
Murder is wrong in New York
Murder is wrong on the battlefield
Murder is wrong
The government are proposing to introduce a new law to ban ‘incitement to commit terrorist acts.’
Obviously I have a problem with this. I can see what they’re trying to do, and I’m sure it’s all for the best intentions, but it seems incredibly ambiguous to me.
For one thing, just what is the definition of terrorism? What makes it any different from any other sort of murder, such as that committed by American and British war criminals in Afghanistan or Iraq? This makes me very nervous, not least because of what I saw on the TV last night. Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed (hope I got his name right – this is from memory) was paraded as an example of someone Blair would like to expel from the country, because he incites terrorism. There he was being asked about his attitude to Osama Bin Laden. He condemned Blair and Bush for their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, but no, he said, he didn’t condemn Osama Bin Laden because he didn’t believe he was responsible for 911or 7/7 (how trite these cool nicknames are). He was going on to say something else, but the clip was cut. I certainly didn’t hear him say he supported terrorism or any other kind of murder. Perhaps someone else saw the same clip and heard something different? I must admit I haven’t followed this cleric closely, so I don’t know what else he has said in the past, but I didn’t feel this clip supported Blair’s intended new law. If they want to throw him out of the country, what are they going to do with me and all the other people I know who don’t support any kind of murder whether perpetrated by governments or ‘terrorists’ or ‘freedom fighters.’
What about the respected Islamic scholar I saw on Newsnight a few nights ago who unequivocally condemned 7/7, but stated clearly that suicide bombers in Palestine were a different matter, because they were fighting decades of illegal occupation? Will they throw him out? Blair refuses to talk about Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine in relation to these bombs, despite warnings after 911 and before the invasions, despite warnings and evidence since such as the recent evidence of the JTAC report which stated clearly that these three conflicts were a source of inspiration to would-be bombers. Blair took the wrong path and should be man enough to admit it. I voted him in because I hated Thatcher and the Tories for what they did to poor and vulnerable people, and I supported Blair because he offered us a brighter future, but I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him again once he became a war criminal, and I will never forgive him for all the innocent blood on his hands. Perhaps he did it to pull Bush back a little, and the bloodbath might well have been worse without British troops involved, but I think Blair should have stood up to Bush and condemned his actions in the strongest possible way. The UN had Saddam fairly well under control by the time of the invasion; the threat he posed was nothing compared to the threat posed by the Nazi George W Bush. It’s certain that Iraq is less peaceful since the invasion.
I’m not sure who the terrorists are and who are the freedom fighters. There’s no doubt today that Nelson Mandela was a freedom fighter, although he was labelled and treated as a dangerous terrorist for decades. And he didn’t take up arms, he only used his intelligence and charisma. Although there was a significant anti-apartheid movement in Britain, I remember at that time that I was considered radical (just before Mandela’s release) because I argued that he was a freedom fighter, I boycotted Barclays, Shell, Del Monte and other firms benefiting from and propping up apartheid, I marched, I even got sacked from Pizza Hut for discouraging customers from choosing the South African pineapple topping.
Bush’s evangelical mission to spread ‘democracy’ across the globe barely disguises his real motive to control global oil wealth. The published ‘Project for the New American Century’ is chilling in its cynical 100 year strategy to conquer the world by diplomacy, persuasion, stealth or ‘shock and awe bombing’ campaigns. If I say this is bordering on Nazism, are they going to throw me in jail for this heresy? All the time Bush accused Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein of being Nazi’s my stomach turned, it’s him that wants to change everyone else’s way of living, it’s him that wants to take over the world, it’s him who has no understanding or tolerance for other’s ways of life. You only have to look at America itself, look at how Black families live in the Deep South to this day, no jobs, no money, short of food. Compare it to some pictures of impoverished African states, and it’s like spot the difference – similar life expectancy, similar infant mortality, similar lack of interest from those in American Power, only this is the reality of the great American Dream. I now boycott America and American companies, and have done for decades. I encourage you to do the same. It makes me anxious to think that there is a powerful Nazi taking over the world and because the propaganda and brainwashing has been so effective, no one is noticing.
Sod them, they can throw me out, send me back where I came from. My ancestors came here a very very very long time ago; I don’t think we have records of where they came from, but I know our human race did not begin on British land, but in Africa. As long as they pay my airfare, and my kids and husband (because I’m sure they all incite terrorism in some way too, especially my 9 yr old son who likes designing bombs) I’d be happy to get out of here and stop paying taxes to support this confused government topped by a war criminal.
I feel like Blair has dragged us all into this war, kicking and screaming. No-one wanted to invade Iraq. It pains me to think of how much money is spent on arms to fight these wars. It pains me to see children starving and dying of malaria and AIDS while Bush focuses on world domination, and all the money is spent on weapons. It is sick and obscene. It is disgusting. The west created Saddam and bin Laden; while they were on ‘our side’ the west trained them in bomb-making, insurgency, terrorism. They remain the same people with the same skills, but because they’re not on ‘our’ side any more, they are now terrorists. If we had supported them 10-30 years ago, no problem. We support them now – well, there will be new laws to deal with us.
What is the solution? I raise lots of questions, but I like to pose a solution too, or at least make some suggestions.
Blair should apologise for his war crimes, stand down as Prime Minister, and submit himself to trial at the international war crimes tribunal. If he’s not willing, someone should perform a citizen’s arrest (I hear Peter Tatchell’s pretty good at this).
The government needs to deliver a clear message about murder, and it needs to act as a good role model. The government needs to cease direct and indirect involvement in and support of murder at home or overseas. The role of the armed forces should be to participate in United Nations actions and to defend Britain from mass murderers, whoever they are - citizens, invading forces, freedom fighters or terrorists.
We must stand up against Nazism and Fascism. We must be able to recognise it. We mustn’t let this powerful media machine brainwash us. Every argument they give us, we must turn it around, and find the hidden motive, the hidden agenda, for they are very sophisticated at this, with decades of experience behind them. We, as individuals are small and powerless against their power, but if we see and think clearly we will know what’s really going on, and who the Nazi’s really are.
Murder is wrong in London
Murder is wrong in New York
Murder is wrong on the battlefield
Murder is wrong
The government are proposing to introduce a new law to ban ‘incitement to commit terrorist acts.’
Obviously I have a problem with this. I can see what they’re trying to do, and I’m sure it’s all for the best intentions, but it seems incredibly ambiguous to me.
For one thing, just what is the definition of terrorism? What makes it any different from any other sort of murder, such as that committed by American and British war criminals in Afghanistan or Iraq? This makes me very nervous, not least because of what I saw on the TV last night. Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed (hope I got his name right – this is from memory) was paraded as an example of someone Blair would like to expel from the country, because he incites terrorism. There he was being asked about his attitude to Osama Bin Laden. He condemned Blair and Bush for their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, but no, he said, he didn’t condemn Osama Bin Laden because he didn’t believe he was responsible for 911or 7/7 (how trite these cool nicknames are). He was going on to say something else, but the clip was cut. I certainly didn’t hear him say he supported terrorism or any other kind of murder. Perhaps someone else saw the same clip and heard something different? I must admit I haven’t followed this cleric closely, so I don’t know what else he has said in the past, but I didn’t feel this clip supported Blair’s intended new law. If they want to throw him out of the country, what are they going to do with me and all the other people I know who don’t support any kind of murder whether perpetrated by governments or ‘terrorists’ or ‘freedom fighters.’
What about the respected Islamic scholar I saw on Newsnight a few nights ago who unequivocally condemned 7/7, but stated clearly that suicide bombers in Palestine were a different matter, because they were fighting decades of illegal occupation? Will they throw him out? Blair refuses to talk about Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine in relation to these bombs, despite warnings after 911 and before the invasions, despite warnings and evidence since such as the recent evidence of the JTAC report which stated clearly that these three conflicts were a source of inspiration to would-be bombers. Blair took the wrong path and should be man enough to admit it. I voted him in because I hated Thatcher and the Tories for what they did to poor and vulnerable people, and I supported Blair because he offered us a brighter future, but I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him again once he became a war criminal, and I will never forgive him for all the innocent blood on his hands. Perhaps he did it to pull Bush back a little, and the bloodbath might well have been worse without British troops involved, but I think Blair should have stood up to Bush and condemned his actions in the strongest possible way. The UN had Saddam fairly well under control by the time of the invasion; the threat he posed was nothing compared to the threat posed by the Nazi George W Bush. It’s certain that Iraq is less peaceful since the invasion.
I’m not sure who the terrorists are and who are the freedom fighters. There’s no doubt today that Nelson Mandela was a freedom fighter, although he was labelled and treated as a dangerous terrorist for decades. And he didn’t take up arms, he only used his intelligence and charisma. Although there was a significant anti-apartheid movement in Britain, I remember at that time that I was considered radical (just before Mandela’s release) because I argued that he was a freedom fighter, I boycotted Barclays, Shell, Del Monte and other firms benefiting from and propping up apartheid, I marched, I even got sacked from Pizza Hut for discouraging customers from choosing the South African pineapple topping.
Bush’s evangelical mission to spread ‘democracy’ across the globe barely disguises his real motive to control global oil wealth. The published ‘Project for the New American Century’ is chilling in its cynical 100 year strategy to conquer the world by diplomacy, persuasion, stealth or ‘shock and awe bombing’ campaigns. If I say this is bordering on Nazism, are they going to throw me in jail for this heresy? All the time Bush accused Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein of being Nazi’s my stomach turned, it’s him that wants to change everyone else’s way of living, it’s him that wants to take over the world, it’s him who has no understanding or tolerance for other’s ways of life. You only have to look at America itself, look at how Black families live in the Deep South to this day, no jobs, no money, short of food. Compare it to some pictures of impoverished African states, and it’s like spot the difference – similar life expectancy, similar infant mortality, similar lack of interest from those in American Power, only this is the reality of the great American Dream. I now boycott America and American companies, and have done for decades. I encourage you to do the same. It makes me anxious to think that there is a powerful Nazi taking over the world and because the propaganda and brainwashing has been so effective, no one is noticing.
Sod them, they can throw me out, send me back where I came from. My ancestors came here a very very very long time ago; I don’t think we have records of where they came from, but I know our human race did not begin on British land, but in Africa. As long as they pay my airfare, and my kids and husband (because I’m sure they all incite terrorism in some way too, especially my 9 yr old son who likes designing bombs) I’d be happy to get out of here and stop paying taxes to support this confused government topped by a war criminal.
I feel like Blair has dragged us all into this war, kicking and screaming. No-one wanted to invade Iraq. It pains me to think of how much money is spent on arms to fight these wars. It pains me to see children starving and dying of malaria and AIDS while Bush focuses on world domination, and all the money is spent on weapons. It is sick and obscene. It is disgusting. The west created Saddam and bin Laden; while they were on ‘our side’ the west trained them in bomb-making, insurgency, terrorism. They remain the same people with the same skills, but because they’re not on ‘our’ side any more, they are now terrorists. If we had supported them 10-30 years ago, no problem. We support them now – well, there will be new laws to deal with us.
What is the solution? I raise lots of questions, but I like to pose a solution too, or at least make some suggestions.
Blair should apologise for his war crimes, stand down as Prime Minister, and submit himself to trial at the international war crimes tribunal. If he’s not willing, someone should perform a citizen’s arrest (I hear Peter Tatchell’s pretty good at this).
The government needs to deliver a clear message about murder, and it needs to act as a good role model. The government needs to cease direct and indirect involvement in and support of murder at home or overseas. The role of the armed forces should be to participate in United Nations actions and to defend Britain from mass murderers, whoever they are - citizens, invading forces, freedom fighters or terrorists.
We must stand up against Nazism and Fascism. We must be able to recognise it. We mustn’t let this powerful media machine brainwash us. Every argument they give us, we must turn it around, and find the hidden motive, the hidden agenda, for they are very sophisticated at this, with decades of experience behind them. We, as individuals are small and powerless against their power, but if we see and think clearly we will know what’s really going on, and who the Nazi’s really are.
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